newbe
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4/15/01 03:36 PM
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plants into bubbler
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after i see good root growth threw the bottom of the 1" rockwool cubes do i transplant the plant/rockwool all together into my grorocks in the bubbler or do you remove the plant from the rockwool then put it into the grorock medium. some might think i've just asked the worlds stupidest question but i had to ask help appreciated.newbe
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JesusWeed
(journeyman)
4/15/01 04:56 PM
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Re: plants into bubbler
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No it is not a stupid question. Alot of people do not like to answer such rudimentary questions, since it has been answered so many times before on here, But I do not mind!!
Put the rockwool and everything in the bubbler, and put the rocks around it. Keep your nute level about a 1/2 to 1 inch below the pot, until you see roots growing out the bottom of your net basket.
You can let your nutes get a little low with no harmfull effects once the roots are hanging in the solution.
I like to put a double air pump on each bucket. Extra bubbles can only be better for the plants.
Hope this helps my friend.
Peace
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guardian
(newbie)
4/15/01 06:42 PM
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Re: plants into bubbler
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JW, little confused by your answer. Why keep the nute solution below the pot? As far as I know, the level should be .5 to 1" above the bottom of the pot. This allows the grow rocks to wick water to the rockwool, as well as pushing the roots to find the source of nutrition and increasing oxygen supply to the roots. It won't hurt the plant to let the level fall below the pot for short periods but I wouldn't recommend it to be a long term strategy. IMO. guardian
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newbe
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4/15/01 07:20 PM
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Re: plants into bubbler
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thanks for input JW AND GUARDIAN
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hooka66
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4/15/01 10:33 PM
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Re: plants into bubbler
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I disagree,
the idea of an aerosystem is exactly that air, you need this high oxygen area to premote rapid disease free growth. leave your water below your pot and allow the plant to come to the water, the bubblers will create a bath of mist for the hanging roots stimulating growth.
Hooka66
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guardian
(newbie)
4/16/01 08:33 AM
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Re: plants into bubbler
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hook, the bubbler is a deep water culture system, not an aeroponic system. My contention still stands. The question concerned a bubbler. regards, guardian
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Mammoth
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4/16/01 08:53 AM
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Re: plants into bubbler
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Guardian is right. You need to have the water level at least touching the bottom of your pots and then the lava rocks, or other medium, will draw the water up to the roots. The roots will begin to grow to the solution and then the water level can drop. If the level is not touching the pots to start, the roots will dry up.
MAMMOTH
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4free
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4/16/01 09:44 AM
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Re: plants into bubbler
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Hey Newbe...don't feel bad for asking that!
I consider myself to be a cannabis fanatik, but I still have silly questions (yours wasn't silly at all), especially on hydro! This is what the forums are for...keep on overgrowing the government dudes! Thanks to all that have ansered my simple questions and others!
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JesusWeed
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4/16/01 12:24 PM
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Re: plants into bubbler
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No you do not NEED the solution to touch the bottom of the pots. The bubbles will splash up on the bottoms of the pots, and keep them moist enough.
I do it all the time, and haven't lost a plant yet!
After you have your net pot in there, just lift it up and see if the bottom of it is wet.
It will be!!!! and in turn, the geolite will wick enough to keep the plant plenty healthy!!
Just check your ph and PPM every few days!!
Hope this helps...
Peace
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Mammoth
(journeyman)
4/16/01 06:53 PM
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Re: plants into bubbler
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My airstones dont kick much water up. It diffuses the water a lot. Maybe if you have no airstones it will slash water on the bottom of the pots.
MAMMOTH
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MrOms
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4/16/01 09:10 PM
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Re: plants into bubbler
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Sorry Jesus, but you need to have the water level .5-1" above the bottom of the pot. Once the roots have become well hung you can suffer a little lower levels, but I have found that the aircurtains I use propel very fine bubbles, but they don't bounce that high. Until the roots are well into the solution I wouldn't use ferts and the water level will not go down until the roots are suckin' things up. i have found I can go 2 weeks until I replace the first solution in the system.
I have been using this system for almost a year now.
Greg D
If you don't like my fire,
Then don't come around,
'cause I'm gonna burn one down!
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hooka66
(enthusiast)
4/17/01 08:46 AM
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Re: plants into bubbler
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hey guys,
sorry about that aero comment, I was really baked, imagine that! I have always found that I get faster growth with placing a drip system(1 min on 60mins off) in with my plant and allowing the roots to grow to the water(then removing it). But, as it was pointed out that makes it a aero/NFT and not deep water culture, however I have found it can be quite beneficial to mix these types.
Hooka66
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JesusWeed
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4/17/01 01:55 PM
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Re: plants into bubbler
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I never said having your levels above the bottom of your pot does not work. What I am saying is that it is not the ONLY way to do it. And my way is not either, but that does not mean it doesn't work.
Been doing it for two grows...no problem
The person who taught it to me... has been doing it for 5 years!!
It does NOT hurt to have the water levels a half inch below the pots!!
I suggest instead of disagreeing with other peoples methods of growing is to give your experiences of how you do it, (witch I'm sure works). Therefore people will learn many different ways to grow our favorite plant.
Better yet try both ways and see what works best for you!
Peace!
My friends.
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guardian
(newbie)
4/17/01 04:42 PM
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Re: plants into bubbler
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JW, I don't believe anyone said your system wouldn't work, personally I appreciate all constructive comments and I would be the first to admit that I've got alot to learn, so all input on this thread is relevant and if it makes you think and ask questions, it's got to be good. Recently I read an article that stated the most common mistake growers make is to listen to the "experts" and change their growing method. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. I'd like to try your style at some point. lotstolearnlotstolearn, regards, guardian
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twistinjays
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4/17/01 11:39 PM
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Re: plants into bubbler
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I'm trying my first bubbler right now, and so far it's not going so great. The clone is going yellow. I rooted it in a soil mix then washed the soil off and put it in a rockwool cube. I dont have gro-rocks or geolite so I stuffed my mesh pot with rockwool only. I dunno its just an experiment but it seems like the roots are taking a long time to get thru the rockwool and the plant may die before that happens. Next time I'll try cloning directly into rockwool, and getting some gro-rocks I suppose.
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MrOms
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4/18/01 04:01 AM
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Re: plants into bubbler
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Yeah, starting in rockwool or peat pots is better. The root may have been damaged in the transfer.
I am not an expert on bubblers, but you have to keep the roots wet until they reach the solution, which means that you have to keep the medium surrounding the plant in the mesh pot wetted evry day.
If you don't like my fire,
Then don't come around,
'cause I'm gonna burn one down!
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guardian
(newbie)
4/18/01 04:41 AM
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Re: plants into bubbler
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Don't let the rockwool come into direct contact with the nute solution, there should be grow rocks or styrofoam or vermiculite or something between the rockwool and the nutes. In other words your plant is drowning, take the wool out and gently press or wring the water out. Then flush the wool with sterile water and wring it out again. Hopefully this will help. guardian
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twistinjays
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4/18/01 02:31 PM
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Re: plants into bubbler
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Ahh styrofoam, now thats something I could get my hands on. I just don't like shelling out $25 for a giant bag of gro-rocks. Why don't they come in a smaller bag???
Anyway, I am doing like JesusWeed, I have the water level about a half an inch under the pot. The mist generated from the bubbles keeps the bottom of the pot wet, and keeps my rockwool moist but not saturated. The bottom of the pot might be somewhat saturated though I don't think my clone is drowning, I think its just not getting much air to its roots. The roots have too far to go thru rockwool before they will be through the mesh pot. I'm thinking about putting a dome over it to encourge quicker rooting.
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JesusWeed
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4/18/01 05:10 PM
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Re: plants into bubbler
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Thank you.. Good luck on them!!
Peace
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