hydrohippy2000
(journeyman)
4/4/01 09:37 PM
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4 leaf clover syndrome !!
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Along with my 6 "geneticly superior"plants,I started some primo bag seeds,4 of 6 sprouted,and 3 remain. One of these 3 is growing leaves in sets of 3 at each node,the other 2 are "normal". If it doesn't have a name already,I'll call it "4 leaf clover syndrome". How Rare is something like this ? Has anyone else grown out a plant like this to maturity ? It's not a sign that it'll be a herme,is it ? Either way I'm gonna grow it out to see what happens,after all it was from some beautiful big buds, with only a few seeds, that really kick. I think I'll go fire some up now,let me know what you think, thanks. ....PEACE...
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sb5
(enthusiast)
4/4/01 09:55 PM
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Re: 4 leaf clover syndrome !!
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probably the result of 2 unstable lines crossing. if its a desirable trait, carry it on... if not, trash it.
sb5
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hydrohippy2000
(journeyman)
4/4/01 10:04 PM
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Re: 4 leaf clover syndrome !!
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can't fool me,I know you deleated your 1st reply.Thats'OK,saves me from trying to discribe this plant again(lol). I've heard talk of "Polypolides"(sp?),if it's one of those than it should be killer,as long as it's female.
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luckman
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4/5/01 04:35 AM
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Re: 4 leaf clover syndrome !!
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Not sure about the first statement there....Polyploids from what I've read dont occur much naturally. You can treat seeds with colchysine and the ones it doesnt kill (10%) will be polyploid. Faster growth, hybrid-vigor type behavior, etc.. I remember being warned not to smoke the 1st gen plants cause their toxic. Reason enough to stay the fuck away from shit like that. Let the plant grow like it wants to.
Years ago I saw an episode of "Quincy" where the inherent dangers of using colchysine were intimated to Americas young people through the so-so eloquent vehicle of that good and great actor, Jack Klugman, as he soap-boxed his way...jesus I'm stoned.
LuckMan
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moebius
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4/5/01 05:46 AM
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Re: 4 leaf clover syndrome !!
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i had one of these in my last grow...
seeds came from good bagweed
plant was a runt though...and did not make it
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sb5
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4/5/01 09:30 AM
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Re: 4 leaf clover syndrome !!
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yeah, i was way stoned when i typed the first reply and when i realized what i had wrote it was not even close to answering your question, nor addressing the topic at hand... hence i deleted it and re-wrote....
sb5
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johnnyafghan
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4/5/01 09:52 AM
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Re: 4 leaf clover syndrome !!
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I was going to post a similar question, but hadn't got round to it yet. I've had this before. It looked like one of the two cotyledons had split in half. The plant grew three leaves at each node until about the eigth, then it reverted to two leaves per node. All of the branches had two leaves per node. I can't tell you how the plant did because I relocated before the plant flowered.
Recently I found some bag seed where about 10% of the seeds had a ridge running down one of the faces. My guess is that these will have "three" seed leaves, but I haven't tried germinating them yet.
btw, why are you calling this the four-leaved clover effect if they only have three? I guess it could be possible for both cotyledons to split, producing "four" seed leaves, but I've never come across this.
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ecopaind
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4/5/01 10:07 AM
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Re: 4 leaf clover syndrome !!
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do you mean three leaflets per leaf or 3 leaves at each node?a three leaflet leaf is not uncommon it's probably just a recessive gene coming through.i had a big bud cross last year that grew very well and it grew 1 huge leaflet in the middle and 2 a 1/8 of the size flanking it.The other plants of the same seed were 'normal' and i didn't notice any other differences in potency or yield.but i thought it was very strange and forgot about breeding any of the plants, thinking that the genetics were messed up. anyone know of whorled phyllitoxy(?) i remember it being about odd leaflets or leaf sets, something along the lines of your question.peace
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hydrohippy2000
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4/5/01 10:42 AM
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Re: 4 leaf clover syndrome !!
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It has 3 seed leaves,3 1st single blades,3 triple blades,at each node.If this continues it should be a bushy/bud filled plant, if it's a female that is. All other plants,of this strain and others,have only pairs at each node.
I called it 4 leaf clover syndrome because a four leaf clover is just a clover with an extra leaf and is rare to find.,thats' why they're said to be lucky...Time will tell if I'm lucky too...
...PEACE...
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johnnyafghan
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4/5/01 10:56 AM
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Re: 4 leaf clover syndrome !!
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Yup, sounds like the one I had. It was a really beautiful plant, if I recall (I'm going all misty eyed).
Are the three leaves perfectly spaced around the node, or do their stems form more of a Y shape when viewed from above?
Please keep us informed of this plant's progess.
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hydrohippy2000
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4/5/01 09:43 PM
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Re: 4 leaf clover syndrome !!
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hey,johnnyA.,the stems of the leaves are perfectly spaced. Nodes seem to do a quarter turn with each set instead of the usual half turn alternation. My other plants, I noticed tonight ,are starting their first branching off growth ,on either side of each leaf stem at each node. When this one gets to that stage, I may need a bigger light(lol). >>>...PEACE...<<<
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johnnyafghan
(journeyman)
4/6/01 00:16 AM
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Re: 4 leaf clover syndrome !!
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Hi Hydrohippy, can you get hold of a digital camera? I'd love to see some pictures of your baby.
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hydrohippy2000
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4/6/01 04:05 PM
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Re: 4 leaf clover syndrome !!
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Alass,I am a lowley webtv user and don't think there's anyway for me to post a pic. Webtv can be used to do a video capture from a tape or videocamera feed,but I own neither the video cam,or a digital camera.
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sb5
(enthusiast)
4/6/01 09:29 PM
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Re: 4 leaf clover syndrome !!
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i have a little kush that is around node 15 or 16 and every set of leaves has only 3 blades. one medium sized middle blade and one very small blade on each side. in every other aspect the plant is perfectly normal!
sb5
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hydrohippy2000
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4/6/01 10:06 PM
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Re: 4 leaf clover syndrome !!
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sb5,15/16 nodes,cool,How old are they ? You know how at each node you have pairs of leaves branching off of the main stalk in alternating right angels at each node.?,Well this one plant I've got going has sets of three at 120* angels.
(in a equal < ,"Y" type Formation ) at each node.
The no# of blades each sucessive node is the normal (1,3,5,7,9,etc) pattern, except it's got an extra branch at each node . If I'm LUCKY,EXTRA BUDS too.!!
.............PEACE...............................
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sb5
(enthusiast)
4/6/01 10:24 PM
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Re: 4 leaf clover syndrome !!
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1 1/2 months old, 3 inches vertical, 11 inches horizontal with the whole clump of 15 or 16 nodes in around a 2 1/2-3" tall area at the very tip of the 9 inch stalk! it was transplanted "ontop" of a rock, draping the roots all around the rock, exposed roots covered with dirt. gradually over a week or so, at every watering some of the dirt was swept off the roots. now, around a week after the transplant its roots have taken hold and ran in the new container. the plant looks like its growing on a quartz rock. pretty neat looking.
the reasoned i used it for a bonsai is BECAUSE of the three leave syndrom!
its under 240w floro and always kept UP TIGHT to the bulb which compacts the nodes. ill try to get a digital picture of it and post, within the next few days.
sb5
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hydrohippy2000
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4/15/01 11:42 PM
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Re: 4 leaf clover syndrome: final note
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just a little update...this plant has reverted back to new growth in pairs. Upto the five bladed leaves,all in sets of 3,what would be seven bladed leaves coming in pairs now. Can't tell yet,if there are 7 or only 3 blades on new growth. It's also no where near as full as the genetic strains I have growing,and seems to show more of a sativa node spacing. The other 2 from same bag are less full and a bit stretched in comparison(males?) Maybe this growth in 3s in early stages is common to females of that hybrid. It would be interesting to inbreed these plants and see if trait continues.
"Every time that I plant a seed,he say,"kill it before it grows."........ Bob Marley
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