Itsagirl
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4/10/01 09:33 PM
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Can you Over fert in flower stage??
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Can I over fert in flowering stage and how often do I now alternate between water and newts ?
I have gotten lucky with reading this forum and brought my plants this far, with look results.
I have 8 female, 2 mt old NL #5's, in 3 gal soil pots under a 400 wt hps light, now feeding organically with bird and bat guano(Ph) also EJ Bloom. As of 1 week they have been placed in a 12/12 flowering mode. These plants are green and looking well.
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SanFranGrower
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4/10/01 10:05 PM
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Re: Can you Over fert in flower stage??
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You can overfertilize in any stage if your not careful. People use different schedules for ferting... I try to fertilize with a light dose every other watering. I water about every 7 to 9 days. I dont fertilize very often and they seem to do well. I've never used more then 1/3 str neuts to date and so far so good. When I do go to flower I will likely increase the dosage to 1/2 str every other week.
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Squilly
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4/11/01 03:58 AM
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Re: Can you Over fert in flower stage??
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I agree about overferting at any time. I use 20-30-20 every watering at full strength, flush before going into bud, then a mix of 20-30-20 and 10-60-10 every watering at full strength flush once in bud, 10-60-10 to finish, last week or two plain old water. Phew! That's my routine in one sentence.
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Itsagirl
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4/11/01 09:01 AM
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Re: Can you Over fert in flower stage??
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Any other opinions for me Please?
Squilly, I'm not using chemicals and you water with chem's every feeding, so how are you helping me here??? when I don't use chemicals.
San Fran - I believe you are saying; Alternate, like Feed, then water, then feed again.
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SanFranGrower
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4/11/01 09:59 AM
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Re: Can you Over fert in flower stage??
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Yep I add feed to the water every other time I water. SO that in between feedings they get no new neuts and have time to use up whats left from the last feeding.
I use chemicals too, which is one of the primary reasons that I use very little fertilizer and sparingly. After running into the problems I have with chemical fertilizers I will grow eveyrthing organically next time. Except for in the bubblers where I'll just use gH neuts.
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GrateDainee
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4/11/01 10:37 AM
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Re: Can you Over fert in flower stage??
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sanfran.what kind of problems have you encountered with chemical fertilizers.?
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moonshiner#13
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4/11/01 10:38 AM
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Re: Can you Over fert in flower stage??
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It's alot harder to over fertilize with organics than chemicals, though not impossible. The more nitrogen you have in the fertilizer the easier it is to burn your plants, these ferts are considered "hot". High phosphorous bat guano IS practically impossible to over apply, I use 3 Tbls. per gallon of water with each watering during flowering and they LOVE it!...moonshiner
"Like Louie Armstrong played the trumpet I'll hit that bong and break ya off somthin'!"-C.H.
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Itsagirl
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4/11/01 02:01 PM
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Re: Can you Over fert in flower stage??
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Thank you - All of you.
Moonshiner#13 and SanFran
You both made life so much easier. I'll follow both your advice and I'm sure, everything with continue to be fine and I will flush with water the last week or two.
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SanFranGrower
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4/11/01 03:10 PM
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Re: Can you Over fert in flower stage??
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Chemical Neutrients contain large amounts of sodium and or chemicals that inevitably will cause salt build ups around your root structure. Salt retains water, salt will also draw water from other sources of water surrounding it. So what ends up happening is the salt built up which willa ccumulate over time (using full strength neuts too often) will begin sucking your plant dry of water!
Chemical neuts can also easily cause neutrient burn, where as they are easily and rapidly absorbed excess amounts of neutrients can build up causing yellowing of the leaves, pale leaves with green veins, curling either up or down, burnt leaf tips, etc....
Many organic fertilizers claim "Will not burn", meaning they gradually release their neuts in controlled doses and are less likely to cause neut burn, they also typically dont contain large amounts of sodium or other salts.
Now that my plants are getting larger I've moved up to 3/4 teaspoon of neuts, 1 teaspoon epson salt, and a few drops of superthrive per 2 gallon watering container. All measurements are at least 1/2 to 1/3 the recommended levels and I find they are doing much much better.
OverDrive said it well, whenever in doubt LESS is better! By slowly increasing the dosage of neuts my plants receive over a period of time, by the time I flower in about 8 days I'll be able to start off with prolly 1/2 suggested str bloom neuts 10-60-10 and then 2 weeks later 1/2, then 2 weeks later full strength, then shortly after a flush.
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4free
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4/11/01 04:30 PM
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Re: Can you Over fert in flower stage??
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Just thought I would add...when you overfertalize during the flowering stage it is often difficult to sucessfully "flush" the nutrients from the soil, during the last weeks of the grow, regardless of what kind of fertalizer you are using: organic or chem. This build up in nutrients/salts, subsequently leads to a harsher, more chemically tasting procuct. In the future, I would highly recommend GROWING ORGANIC (use bat guanno for phosphorus), and remember to flush at least one or two weeks prior to harvest. Properly drying and curing your buds will also contribute to a smoother, tastier product. Peace and good growin!
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